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David Thomas
IMS Leadership Q & A
Final Transcripts
7.18.05
DAVID THOMAS
Well, good morning everyone. And I am delighted to be here with you. The intent of this meeting
is for you to really get a clear understanding of what it is we expect from our leadership team.
And I hope that you really take advantage of this session.
We did kind of make a little history yesterday. And so, I thought I should spend some time
talking to you about that, because you can be certainly a facilitator of the communications back
to your colleagues on some of the thoughts that went into it. But you know, it is tremendously
exciting. Think about what we did create yesterday. It really is, without question, the global
leader in market intelligence. In three of the most important and crucial industries in business.
We have a terrific opportunity to take advantage of the data assets across all of those
businesses, to take our consulting and services model, which we frankly have a lead on, versus
the VNU team, to a whole different level. We add to that capability, as well. These are all
businesses that participate in essentially every market in the world. So, our footprint with
these companies is very much the same.
In addition to, if you think about what we do, as companies, and the common processes that run
our business, they really are very similar. We get data from all these millions of touch points.
We take that information. We develop intellectual capital around it through our statistical
services teams and capability. We package that for customers, and we distribute it on a global
basis. So, the synergies here, in terms of what we do, are really quite exciting when you think
about it, in terms of what we can put together.
What you happened yesterday, is we really moved to a global brand, where I think all of business
will know who we are, what we do, and the important role we play in helping them make their
critical business decisions. So, it is something that I think is incredibly exciting for our
shareholders. It certainly should be exciting for our clients. We will be able to deliver a lot
of new capability to our clients. And for our people, it means an immense new set of
opportunities, should you decide to take advantage of those in the marketplace.
I was thinking, as we got Sunday morning, as we were about to have our last Board of Directors
call to finalize their approval on the deal. You know, right before you make that call, you have
these pangs of whatd we just do? You know, we love this company we have. Were doing pretty
well. You know what did we just do? And I started thinking back to five years ago, when I
joined IMS. But if you look five years ago, and you think of the transformation that weve been
through at IMS. I mean, this was a company which was not growing. We didnt really even have a
common vision of how we were going to
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grow. In fact, when we had our first senior management team together, the discussion was about,
you know, if we really did well, we could get growth back up to three to five percent. Because
wed basically said, We have most of the customers. We have what we have. We can kind of grow
with the rate of price increases.
Our customer satisfaction, although we didnt measure it, was clear to me, was not very high.
When we started to measure it, we found out it was better than competition, but it wasnt nearly
as high as wed like. In fact, competitors were winning. What was being written about IMS is
that we were losing in markets around the world, in terms of our competitive position. We
certainly didnt have a very good name with the financial community. They didnt have a great
deal of trust in what we would say, and how we would go execute.
As I visited our countries, the morale around the company was pretty mixed. The further you got
away from the United States kind of the better it was. But, it was a very different environment.
And if you think about the transformation that you have created in those five years, I mean, it
is truly remarkable.
We said we were going to create a consulting and services business. We said we were gonna start
to invest again in the business. And if you look at whats happened, youve done it. I mean,
the growth that weve had over the last seven quarters has been right on that model.
Customer satisfaction, weve moved into now the next to the highest quartile. Our employee
morale is in the top quartile of benchmark companies. It is quite a transformation. And you and
your colleagues should be immensely proud of that. So, while that transformations going on,
theres another transformation
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going on that you probably werent even aware of. Theres a small little Dutch company,
actually, about two years earlier, if you looked at the business mix of VNU, it was newspapers,
it was yellow pages, directories. It was magazines, consumer magazines, and it has a little bit
of a business, show business. Thats all. All of the sudden, with their acquisition of Nielsen
Media, they started to get into the market information business in the media space. And you
watch whats happened at that company, over about that same period of time we were transforming,
its quite a remarkable transformation in itself.
Their transformation was different than ours. Ours was fixing our business, and growing our
business, and expanding our business. Theirs was changing their business entirely. Selling off
the businesses they felt didnt have the growth or the prospects that they liked, buying into new
businesses. And so, that transformation reached a whole new stage yesterday, with the
announcement of this merger as well.
Then, if you think about whats happening in the market, about that same time, things were
getting a lot more competitive, as they always do. We saw distribution channels really start to
change in a really dramatic way. All of the sudden, you had pharmacies at the back end of
supermarkets all over the world. You had pharmacy chains adding a lot more to the front of
store, of their operations. You saw, a lot of consumer discussion starting to go on in terms of
understanding consumer behavior, and how it was gonna affect different businesses. We certainly
have seen that in our business, as our pharma customers have tried to figure out ways that they
talk directly to consumers, versus just to doctors, and to hospitals, and such.
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So, you had the whole consumerism thing, really start to take hold in that same five to seven
year time horizon. Customers got very focused on global. Since Ive been here, pharma has
finally realized, they cant be regional companies.
Just look at the industry we serve. We started to see over the counter products have interaction
with the ethical products. You know, if you went to pharma five years ago, those organizations
were so discrete, and so separate, that we didnt call on some of them. You look at the media,
look at how media has changed, how people track whats going on with consumers. The
fragmentation of the major networks, and all these channels, of cable channels, et cetera. So,
the whole market has transformed in terms of the set of prevailing trends, in terms of customers
having to understand at a much more detailed level, whats going on in their markets.
So, the fragmentation of markets has just exploded. So, the need for the information, and the
need for the analytics, and the consulting, and the services around that information, is just
exploding around us in all industries.
So, you kind of take all those transformations, what was going on with IMS, in its
transformation, which was one set of things. What was happening with VNU, in becoming a global
market intelligence kind of company, and then whats happening with the customers in the key
markets we serve. A lot has gone on in just the last five years that made what we announced
yesterday kind of all come together for the first time. And I think create an incredibly
exciting company, and an exciting opportunity.
We were looking for global trends. We did a lot of strategy work, starting about four and a half
years ago. You know, every year, we have a two-day board meeting with our board, where we take
them through the IMS strategy.
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I went back and reviewed kind of where we were with those strategy evolutions in our
company.
And its very interesting. Because when we started, we really tried to lay out a strategy for
how we fixed our core business, I mean, that was job one. And that, you know, led to the three
elements of the strategy of investing in data, invested in new data, to build new offerings, to
get new products to market. To start a fledgling consulting and services business, which at that
time, half a percent of our revenues. Today, its 12 percent of our revenues and growing. And
the third leg of that was develop new markets, and new audiences.
And that was the part that always kind of you know, we went through the others pretty crisply in
our board meetings. And you get to the third one, and you kept saying, What new markets? What
new audiences? And how do you get there? And we started looking at you know, the normal things
you would look at, in terms of how can we expand within pharma, was first. We started to look at
how do you expand in health care, beyond pharma. And without question, most of our strategy
effort, over all those periods of time, were about how do we continue to grow as an independent
company? I mean, that was the primary focus of, you know, how can we invest in the new things we
need to, to really grow IMS as an independent company?
Some of you may remember, a couple years ago, we looked in depth at the non-pharma part of health
care. We looked at should we really look at consumers again? Hospitals, in a much broader,
bigger way. Health plans. We looked at employers. You know, employers were all grappling with
health care costs. Is there a market for us there? And governments were the five that
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we picked during that about third year review. And frankly, everyone we looked at, first of all,
it didnt look as attractive as pharma. And the reason they didnt is because what it would take
us to invest to get the data assets, the new data assets to get to those markets, and also,
because they did have different characteristics than the pharma, where you can really price the
value as effectively, because the incremental value of the sale to pharma is so valuable.
None of them, you could never make the decision to say, Go invest. Because the return on
investment was just too far off, too much front end for what we had to do at our size and scale.
And so, we would review them every year. And every year, wed come to the same decisions other
than government, where we could take a lot of the same things we had, and maybe orient it
differently. And we did create that unit to go after it. We kind of always backed off to, well,
we really oughta spend our money primarily focused on the market we have.
We also, in each of those reviews, our board would ask us to say, Well, what acquisitions could
we do? And we looked at big ones, we looked at small ones. We looked at major transformational
ones. And as you know, weve done 27 acquisitions in the last four years.
The thing we always came to our in discussions was, one, we feel very good about our business.
But we really would like to be a more diversified company.
So, that was always on our list. We talked to all the companies you can think of. And just
about every time we came back to, well the one that really fits the most is VNU. One, we knew
the businesses. But second, when you think about the interrelation of the businesses, it was
very clear.
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Then, we started to get this question from our customers. And the question from the customers
was, We need to understand a little bit more about this ... we had this consumer health
business in Europe, where we were tracking over the counter products. One, they wanted us to
have better coverage of that data, because we basically covered the pharmacy channels, and the
typical data suppliers that we have. They wanted us to have better coverage.
Then, we started to look and say, Wouldnt you really like to understand the interaction of
these products with your ethical products? Then, you had things like Prisolec go over the
counter, and then, even most recently, the Statins in the U.K.. So, all of the sudden, that
became a bigger issue. We also knew in our Midas data base, that we would have liked to have
been tracking over the counter around the world.
And so, we started working with VNU, primarily, AC Nielsen, about two and a half years ago.
Trying to say, Shouldnt we be going to customers together to put together our assets, to answer
different questions for those customers? And so, we had a number of experiments in the U.K., a
small one in Japan, in India, and in the United States, we started to work on something called
medicine cabinet, where we could take a view of the consumer, and understand whats really in
their total set of medicines they were using.
We also had two businesses in India. Ours was kind of doing not as well as wed like. It was
kind of undersized. It really didnt have the scale it needed. They had the same thing. And
so, we decided about a year ago to do a joint venture in India, to put those two businesses
together. And what weve seen are dramatic results. We got less cost. We got greater
efficiency. We got
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much, much improved customer service and value. And so, in a very small market, we showed that
you know, by putting the two entities together, we could create some value. So, weve gained
experience over time with our colleagues at ACNielsen.
And so, you could see the potential was there, but we really werent making a lot of progress. We
kept pushing away at it. And we now, actually have joint offerings in the market, where were
already creating revenues in the market. And it really became apparent we went through these
strategy reviews, that merging these two companies, if we really merged them, and we got the
opportunity to manage these companies in a way that made sense to both of us, we could really
create huge shareholder value.
And probably the most critical thing to Rob van den berg, their CEO, and to us at the time was,
were really talking about the leadership team being merged here. Were not talking about the
IMS team walking out, him taking that. Well, hed done some mergers that way, he didnt like it.
Second, he learned to know us, and had great confidence in the management team we had. So, this
was about how do we put together a merged management team? And if we werent gonna do that,
neither one of us were gonna do the deal.
You hear this phrase, mergers of equals, thats when companies basically split, and the
shareholder ownerships probably 55/45 or something like that. Well have 35 percent of the
combined company.
So, it wasnt exactly a merger of equals from a split up of the company. It was a merger of
equals from the management team. I mean, we basically get four
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of the ten members of the board, of which I will be the Vice Chairman. Weve got two of the four
members of the executive board, which is really the operational board of the company. And David
actually, is Deputy CEO, and COO, runs those three businesses that I talked about. So, and Nancy
has the implementation of all the IT business development, and integration work for the whole
company as well. So, it youre is a merger of equals when you look at the management team.
I think it was great value for VNU shareholders, because they got a business thats going
extremely well, and they got a lot of management team along with it. So, we felt very good about
the balance, and particularly since were taking back 60 percent of the compensation in equity, we
wanted to make sure the surviving entity does well. Because thats really the upside for us, and
our shareholders, is to make the VNU shares go up. So, we think we got a very good price. We
also feel like that their shares are particularly undervalued.
QUESTION
You will have looked at the synergies that can be brought between the two organizations in some
of the staff functions and other collaborative entities. I wonder if you could spend a bit of
time explaining over what time period those will be addressed, and in some detail, what will
happen.
DAVID THOMAS
Okay. Well, this is really not a merger that is focused on cost synergies. This is very
different than when two banks merge, when they cover the same territory and youve got twice as
many branches as you need, and twice as many of these things. So its really not a weve got
two of everything. Because we still have a business to run in IMS. We will continue to run IMS
as
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a business unit. The jobs of 99 percent of our people wont change tomorrow or the next day or
the next year or the year after.
So there are synergies. Theyre primarily at the corporate level. I mean we wont have to play
two sets of accountants to do our books, and announce earnings every quarter. You will certainly
get some real estate savings as you go around. Because if you just look in Connecticut, weve got
multiple buildings now in Connecticut. So you get some of that.
IT is probably the area that will get the most attention, mainly because were both struggling
with how to optimize the IT infrastructure for what we have to do and how do we get it in the
right cost jurisdictions, etc. And that issue existed with us in the work Kevin McKays been
doing, in you know, customer delivery and development.
So thats the area that I think will probably take the most time, probably have the most
capability, because we are in a common footprint to have some real synergies there. But it
really is not going to be ... and those synergies will be achieved over the next three years.
And so youve got some shared services, but we dont really know how much of that will be
duplicative. Were all growing companies. The think you got to realize, we are growing
companies. So whatever the synergies from a resource standpoint, I can tell you, weve done some
sizing on it. Its not very precise. But were going to have 44,000 employees. And I would
think that its probably less than of one percent that are in those cost synergies.
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So there are tax synergies, there are some cost synergies, if we do this right, the big plus
ought to be revenue synergies.
MAN
Youre talking generally about the impact particularly on people and synergies on ... thats not
going to be that big in general. For the people from consumer health in particular I think
thats a concern from their side in order to analyze ... I mean we are all aware of the overlap
that exists, and Im wondering how do you see the impact in clients and on the people as well,
from that smaller area.
DAVID THOMAS
Well, consumer health, you know, its really interesting. Those of you that were around, you
know, we were in the process of selling off our consumer health business at one time. Right when
I got here, it was already in motion. And very late in the process, we decided that we didnt
want to sell the consumer health business.
So we made a commitment to that business. Weve been investing in that business. The growth of
that business really is one of the things thats helped us get in this position. So I think the
consumer health business becomes obviously a much larger business within IMS. We have no overlap
in most geographies.
The big geographies. We dont have a business in the US. Weve got no business in Japan, either
one of us to speak of. Theyre very small. Weve got China which is emerging as a big consumer
health business.
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So if you look around the world, weve got huge upside operations together to create a much
broader, bigger, better consumer health business.
Our consumer health team ought to be very proud of the work theyve done, the growth theyve
created in that business, and they ought to view this as a major new investment in what they did
in a bigger part of the company. So I dont really see any downsides to our consumer health
business.
MAN
I think the final completion of the deal is still dependent on regulatory approval. What do you
think the probability of that happening?
DAVID THOMAS
Well, it does take awhile to get through these. I will tell you, most of the regulatory issues
we think are actually associated with accounting. And theyre not issues we wont get through.
They just take time.
It only takes you after you get to the SEC about 60 to 90 days. Well be there pretty quickly,
because theyve already done most of that work. We have to take our restated numbers to AFM in
Holland. That is going to take us about two or three months probably to get the work done, but
their approval cycle is much faster. So were talking about ... thats really about 90 ... we can
put it 120 days in the cycle, before that.
At the same time youve got to get the regulatory approvals in the big geographies. We dont
anticipate any really difficult issues there, but well have some things we have to discuss
there.
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So we have a target, to try to close by the end of this year. We told the market first quarter
of 2006, just because we cant predict some of these things.
In terms of disruption, and how we manage that during the time, thats up to you.
But, I really dont have a good answer to how to tell you to manage that other than you just
gotta keep your people focused on what their jobs are and how theyre running their business. It
will take that long. Theres just not that much you can do to shorten the process.
MAN
One of the questions that came up yesterday in the discussions that we were having on the team
was the IMS name itself. Its been around greater than 50 years. Our customers are familiar
with the name.
MAN
What are the plans for the future on leveraging the name and bringing that forward?
DAVID THOMAS
None of thats been determined. You really have to look at, one, this is a premiere global
company. So you really have to spend a lot of time on your branding strategy, and your branding
image. The image of IMS is very strong in a very narrow place. So but we have a very strong
brand in IMS. They have a very strong brand in A.C. Nielsen and Nielsen Media. VNU is not
really a very known brand. They have not tried to make it a known brand except in their business
information business.
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So what weve decided is is that over the next ... while were going through this other process,
well spend time with some experts, to figure out what is the right branding strategy going
forward.
Well do some market testing, well test it with customers. Well do the real work. And you
might ... its probably one of these things that will evolve over a long period of time, not a
short period of time. But we may move out fairly quickly, dont know.
By the way, you should know. VNU is headquartered in New York. Thats a little confusing,
because theyre domiciled in Amsterdam, but they are a New York headquartered company. Mainly
because their business has been more US biased than our business. They do a little over half of
their business in the US. We have 40 percent of our business. So theyre more of a US company
from a business standpoint than we are.
MAN
Im getting a sense, and I dont know if youre hearing from customers, that theres a concern
that we might lose that focus as a result of this. And now were almost back to the D&B days
where we were a bunch of disparate companies trying to bring things together. And I think we can
make some sense out of those solutions that might come together, but have you thought at all
about the issue of potentially losing focus on our pharma base? And then from an investment
standpoint, are we going to get our fair share of investment from the new company from VNU, in
our health care and in our pharma business?
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DAVID THOMAS
Yeah, I think that first of all, as a company you invest in whats growing the fastest. Were
growing the fastest and were the most profitable. I dont worry about our share. Actually I
think this will give us more investment dollars to invest in segments.
So you will continue to have business units focused very discreetly I think on those business
segments. So this is not a matter of smashing these three businesses together. This is a matter
of can you do things synergistically to make the three companies take advantage of each other,
but not trying to you know, level the focus and merge all the companies. Thats not the intent.
So I think you will continue to have, just like if you looked at any large ... very large
company, and I have one I have a lot of experience with, in my past career.
You know, you always had businesses very focused on particular products that our particular
industry sets. And you just tried to make sure that you were able to take advantage of the other
assets outside that. But I know I our customers mind it will be ... something will have to show
them over time that we are continuing to invest, and I think the best way to do that is to get
out of the gate fast with some new offerings that are a result of the combined assets of the
companies to show that thats where the focus is. Were the most profitable segment of VNU. We
are the fastest growing. So well get our investment Im sure.
And by the way, if you look at the track record of VNU on those two businesses, one thing theyve
done is exactly what we were doing. Theyve really been investing in the businesses. And coming
out of D&B, which was really a holding company, which was in my view kind of harvesting the
businesses, they also
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lacked the investment for new offerings, that VNU has started to make in them. So its not a
company thats afraid to invest at all. And so if you ... when I talked to the business leaders
in each of those businesses, they all talk about what VNU has really brought to them as the
investment in their business. So I think you could take a very positive, assertive approach to
your customers, and then well have to prove it to them.
QUESTION
In the last five years, the culture of IMS has changed significantly. You know, Ive been here
now for nine years, and the companys completely different. Whats the culture of VNU like?
DAVID THOMAS
Frankly, when I got here, I dont know that I knew what the IMS culture was. And what created
the IMS culture was getting the right people in the right jobs, and creating a vision for how
youre going to grow the company, and then success. I mean if anythings changed the morale and
the attitude of our company, its the fact that were growing and were doing it.
So we got that same opportunity here. I do think that because you have the leadership you have
continuing on ... Because if you look at how IMS is going to report, nobody changed. The only
thing that may have changed is you may have me around longer. Because frankly, as I moved off of
... out of being Executive Chairman, some time next year, I didnt feel comfortable staying on
the IMS board, because I would have felt like I was just sitting right on ... people would still
look at me, and say What do you think? And that wasnt fair to the new leadership by the way.
Now as a member of this company, because its a much broader company, I welcome myself there.
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DAVID THOMAS
None of the key people that are running, are in charge of the businesses from an IMS standpoint,
have changed at all. And so I think you should assume that its up to us to create the culture
of the combined company
We know the people. Theyre in the same types of business. They have the same challenges we
have with data suppliers, for example. Etc. etc. So I think... I cant tell you I know what it
is, because it doesnt exist yet, what this new culture is. Rob Van den Bergh, David, Nancy, all
of us, Rob Ruitjer, all of us know that we dont want this to be a holding company. We want this
to be a company. And so I think you should have comfort that thats a key role that David will
play in. Well all have a part in, and youll have a part in.
And it really depends on how we accept the colleagues around the world. In some of these smaller
markets, and even in some of the mid-sized markets, you know, youre going to have a chance to
get very close to these people. And because youre going to have resources youre going to want
to share together. Youve going to have talent you want to share together. So it will be up to
us to kind of create that culture. But I cant tell you what it is.
I can tell you that people have been there a long time. Its a place they like to work. A
business they like. So thats good Yes, sir?
MAN
Leadership, in a merger of this size, is key going forward. How long would we expect to see the
business segments defined, the new business segments of the combined company defined, and then
the leaders of those business
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segments defined? Because its critical that employees begin to see people put in place for
retention. So we make sure we dont start losing people in the business who are going to kind of
carry this merger forward, on both sides.
DAVID THOMAS
I think you know, were very focused on as much clarity as we can, as fast as you can get it.
But I think the clarity of the fact that youve got, under David, those three businesses, those
three businesses are going to continue to operate you know, much the way they have.
Theres not that many roles that are duplicated in the companies, because youve got an IMS
company thats growing. My concern is frankly, that we had very good talent. Weve got just
enough talent. We dont have the talent depth that I would like within IMS because of our
growth.
I think that problem gets multiplied when you add Nielsen Media and MI to it. I think the talent
requirement were going to have is going to be larger. And so much of what wed like to get off
to quickly is making sure we keep the bottoms up talent moving up in the business, and also
adding talent at the bottom, and at the right levels of the company.
Well try to be as clear and communicative as we can. Thats one of the reasons that we wanted to
chat with you. So you could help to be a communicator on some of these things.
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Dun & Bradstreet. I got the question yesterday about whats different about this than Dun &
Bradstreet. And it wasnt the story before these businesses really didnt belong together. And
my answer to that is, well, one I think they were wrong. But were going to run it differently.
Because it really was (Inaudible). So the key thing thats going to be different about this is
its going to run differently.
The second thing thats different, is our customers are different today. Our pharma customers
didnt think about the consumer as much. They didnt think about OTC as much. Same on their
side. Their retailers didnt think about getting into the pharmacy business and getting into
these segments. So globalization was something that they felt like they needed to do, but
reluctant to go do. The demand for insights beyond the data, you know, before it was just give me
the book, Ill figure it out. That was (Inaudible).
So customers are different, the markets are different, were going to run it differently. Thats
the answer.
WOMAN
We heard in the media about this transaction being an acquisition. Internally theres a lot of
talk about being a merger.
WOMAN
What are the consistent messages that we need to take back to our troops in order to clarify that
issue, because already some of my colleagues have brought that forward.
DAVID THOMAS
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Well, you understand, it is a merger. If you listened to any of the conversation yesterday out
of Rob van den Bergh, or David Carlucci in the press briefing, its a merger. If you read the
agreement, its a merger agreement.
Theres always an acquiring company. Theres always a surviving company. They are the bigger
company. We are receiving the premium. So the market is going to look at it as an acquisition.
I look at it more as what happened in terms of the management of the company and the role of the
leadership in the company. And that is very clearly a merger.
So I think thats just the way people want to depict it. But you never heard the word
acquisition out of Rob Van den Bergh, or Rob Ruitjer or anybody yesterday. And you wont.
Because this is different. They have done acquisitions. Rob spent time talking to me ... I
remember this was a year and a half ago. He said, you know, if we really ever decide to get
together, if you cant deliver your management team, Im not interested.
Because one, he knows he wanted to enhance and strengthen the leadership team. He understands
that that leadership team understands this business and so that really never has been a
discussion.
But because we received the premium, because VNU is the surviving entity, because it will be
Dutch domiciled, New York headquartered, the press is going to look at it ... the Press today
said ACNielsen acquired us.
WOMAN
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David, I had an all hands meeting with my team yesterday, and there were quite a few questions on
what happens to stock and stock options ... Maybe you could spend a little time covering that.
DAVID THOMAS
Sure. First of all, any stock you own, youre a shareholder, so youll get 60 percent in equity,
and youll get 40 percent in cash. So for every IMS share youll get .60415 of a VNU share. And
youll get the cash component. The options, because we believe so strongly in this merger, the
options are all going to roll over. Except for where weve done acquisitions for retention, etc.
etc., all options of our employees will vest at closing, and they will be converted to VNU
options, and its a pretty complicated formula. Because it will be based on what the price is,
what the Euro/US dollar rate is, etc. etc.
But the implied spread thats in those options will survive. Thats the way the formula will
work. So look, I think the reason we feel so strongly about this for our shareholders, is we
think we got a much greater opportunity to grow the share price of the combined company than of
our company going alone. And so we felt like we wanted our optionees to be able to participate
in that upside. They wanted that, because they wanted our optionees to have a skin in the game.
But thats what will happen to two options. Is they will roll over. So therell be, based on
the formula, therell be a recalculation of the number of shares and the strike price, but the
implicit spread will be the same. So its a good deal for our people I think.
MAN
The fact that youre here and you give us this first hand information is actually a very good
sign that makes everybody, I think, also in the rest of IMS confident
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that this is the right strategy and the right approach. How will you make sure that in this new
combined company, which is now 44,000 employees, that consulting and services has still this
importance and focus, and is still this gross market in that combined company?
They have something called Advisory Services, within VNU. They would tell you that from a pure
consulting standpoint they are somewhat behind us. And so they would look for us to really help
them accelerate that kind of capability.
MAN
As we spend a lot of energy building up the consulting and services organization, how far do we
reach into the consumer companies, and fast moving consumer goods companies, and do we do that as
one organization consulting and services, given that a lot of our expertise is focused around the
pharma industry.
MAN
Or do you think that well start to build two different types of consulting organizations, one
still focused on pharma, and one then headed off to the (?) companies.
DAVID THOMAS
The fact that they do consulting today in fast moving consumer goods, maybe not at the level we
do, but they help on launch of new products. And so a lot of the methodologies may be similar.
But I will tell you, nobody knows the answer to that yet, because we havent been able to spend
that much time really figuring out what the capabilities are of the two different companies, and
where should it fit? So that will be dealt with over time.
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MAN
We have a stock option program, weve got employee stock purchase program, weve got alto of
benefits. Now were part of another company. You know, maybe some commentary on what we might
expect from an employee standpoint in terms of the continuity of those kinds of things that. make
this place a great place to work, and for people who want to stay and really do their whole
career here at IMS, or VNU, as the case may be.
DAVID THOMAS
Well,
first of all dont be confused on ... the leadership is the same. I mean you still have ... the same people that made the decisions on the leadership you have, on the benefits you have
here, are going to be the pivotal players in the merged company. Thats one thing. Second is
there are differences in the benefits program and the options program of the two companies. We
know that. There wont be any change in ours for at least a year and a half ... probably two
years.
The philosophies in terms of pay at market, and to have benefits that are competitive at market,
are not different. Well understand what they do, theyll understand what we do. Hopefully well
take the best from both. Have programs that are very competitive, that are at market, and are
affordable. So I think it will be a while before it plays out. But in the merger agreement, it
states there wont be any changes for I think, end of 06, middle of 07.
WOMAN
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What is going to be the executive leadership yourself and you know, Dave, and Nancy, whats gonna
be the focus between now and the end of the year, to ensure that we keep on track?
DAVID THOMAS
Well, I think first of all, we learned in the second quarter that when were completely focused
on something else, the results get better. So, (Laugh) that may become a conscious strategy.
So, I think there will be a period of a couple weeks here, where we have to be very active,
externally, on communicating to our people, and to investors, what the story is, and why we did
it, et cetera. So, does that take you out of your day to day calling on customers, being
involved in whats going on month by month in the business? Yes. It will affect us somewhat. I
think after that short period, we will then have some very focused integration teams who will
work. But the rest of us will go back to work. So, look, we have to continue to run this
company. One, we all have a lot of incentives and money on whats gonna happen this year. But
second of all, thats so important that these companies continue to perform to what the final
closing price is gonna look like. And so, if your business performs well, and their business
performs where we think its projected, and well, our shareholders are gonna get a lot more
value than 28.10 at the closing. And so, well do everything we can to keep business as usual
activities going.
MAN
When you speak about business performance, of course, we think first about revenue growth.
Thats an important indicators. IMS, in the last year, weve introduced also a second important
measurement, which is customer loyalty, customer satisfaction. Globally, do you have a feel of
where they are in terms of loyalty, satisfaction, and how do clients perceive VNU?
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DAVID THOMAS
I think the perception is different by business unit. I think AC Nielsen has very good customer
satisfaction.
Nielsen Media, I think, has a lot of excellent customer relationships. Long-term customer
relationships. They are so critical to how customers spend their advertising dollars. Its very
important. They will always have issues with some reports they give that show somebody not doing
very well. (Laugh) Its like us reporting on a pharma company that your drug has really fallen
off the map. All of the sudden, your datas wrong, your surveys wrong. So, but I think to a
large extent, you cant have the strength of the businesses theyve had and the growth theyve
had in those businesses without having good customer satisfaction. I think they are also very
much like us. They could be better. And so, that will be our joint challenge together.
So, what do you do here? Your leadership made a choice here. And the interesting thing about
this, we were not forced into this. Our business was performing. You were doing well. I think
its very important that you communicate to your people that this is a choice that we made. We
made this choice because we felt like, in terms of being able to significantly grow shareholder
value, this provides us a much broader playing field, and much greater opportunity to really
expand the shareholder value.
So, your performance and your colleagues performance, gave us the opportunity to make that
choice. But, I also know its a choice that the leadership at the top made, that you didnt
make. You should get on the VNU side, understand something about their businesses. You want to
decide in your
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own words where you see the leverage, and positiveness of this in your business. And youre
gonna have to be able to communicate to your clients, your peers, your colleagues, in whatever
part of the business youre in, why this is a good deal. What you need a leadership team to do
is to buy-in to those big decisions that not everybody can make.
But, it is a different leadership characteristics thats required to implement decisions that you
dont make. And at your level, until you get to be where I am, you dont get to make all the
decisions. And I dont make all the decisions, but there are some that like this one, that have
to be made at that level, that youve then got to count on the team to go execute. And we have
tried to engage as much of the team as we thought reasonable to discuss this, kick it around,
debate it. As Ive told you, weve exercised it over years, not months.
And so, but I think that puts, you know, as you go through your leadership workshop here, you
oughta think about that. Because there are a lot of times that there are decisions made that you
dont make. That being a true leader, youve got to help implement. And thats why a lot of
great leaders come out of the military. Because in the military, the people on the ground dont
normally make any of the decisions. You know, of which hill to go take, or what strategy to
take. But they are very well disciplined and saying, Okay, I understand the goal, I understand
the long-term objective, and the value, and I can lead this team to make it happen. But
thats kind of a unique thing weve kind of thrown at you here, that is different than youre
getting a lot of times.
If youre think of some of the other leadership things, I think, because I think if I had to go
through my list of tough leadership decisions you make, this is certainly high on my list. Its
high on my list, because we have a strong belief in
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this company. I love the company we have. It would have been very comfortable to stay where we
were. You take David. Its very comfortable to stay as CEO of an independent company, thats
doing well. Nancy is the CFO of a public company, doing well. Well respected by the Street.
The easy decision was for us not to do this.
And so, I think as you think about challenges of leadership, the one thing that Ive always, you
hear, and now, I fully believe, having gone through my experiences at IBM, having seen the
experiences at IMS prior to being here, and then, the experiences of IMS in being here, I think
the one thing a leadership team cant ever do is be content. You have to be willing to make
decisions before you have to make them. And thats what was so helpful in this process, is we
didnt have to do this. So, we negotiate items, we didnt have to do it. We only did it if we
thought it made sense for our shareholders, our clients, and our employees.
There was no, I mean, we didnt have to do it now, we didnt have to do it. But that whole idea
of being content. Being content with how good you are at what you do, being content with your
position, youre now reaching a status hopefully, where youre fairly comfortable in your lives.
Youre part of the haves, not the have nots. But you know, the real leadership, if you look at
people that you respect as leaders, is theyre never content with the result. So, I think as you
go through this week, thinking about that, because if you look at bad leadership, if you look at
examples of bad leadership, you can always say they are people that acted too late. And that has
to do with how you pick your team, and how you grow your team, and do you get the right people in
the right jobs. But acting too late is the biggest flaw of leadership. And its because
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you can kind of, youre comfortable, you feel good about youre doing. And its too easy to be
content.
The second lesson that I think comes out of this, and many of you asked the question, the second
failure in leadership a lot of times is just a failure to communicate. And communicate in a lot
of ways. And weve got a huge communications challenge here. But we had one at IMS by
ourselves, but we just kind of added to the pile here. But leadership has to communicate. And
not just on something this big, but on what you expect of people, how you expect people to do.
Communication also has to do with listening. I do, would appreciate your feedback, as you talk
to your teams, as you hear from your colleagues. What you hear about this, and how they feel
about it, we need to know it. And by listening to them, what you do is you make the people that
you are trying to lead, feel important. And so, communications is not only just about talking to
people, and communicating to them what you think. But communicating is really listening and
making people feel a part of the process, and feeling important. Even though you may tell them,
Nice idea, I dont like it, making them feel that you cared about what they had to say. You
respected what they do every day, and how they do it. But here, youve got a challenge to
explain why were not content with the business, and help us communicate the vision of this
business.
Im absolutely convince we made the right decision for the shareholders. Im absolutely
convinced we made the right decisions for our clients. And I am even more sure that this opens
up a huge broad range of opportunities for our people.
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That doesnt mean itll be simple. Mergers are never simple. A lot of you have been in pharma.
Youve been in these things. Theyre not simple. This ones hopefully gonna be simpler than a
lot of those. But its gonna take a lot of work. Weve got people we dont know. Weve got a
culture we dont know. Its up to us to create the environment. Because I will tell you, the
one pain that really hit all of us, the four of us, as we were talking about this a lot is, we
really like the environment we have at IMS. And we got people we respect, and like, and enjoy
working around, and its a lot of you in this room that have made us feel that way. And so,
were not giving that up at all. Were gonna expand it to a much bigger company. But that, if
we lose that, thats a shame on us. And I dont think, we just wont let it happen.
But you are joining now, you want to think of yourself as a part of a really highly visible,
global leader in a critically important space, in some critically important markets, that has
great, great potential. And that doesnt mean the IMS doesnt have still a lot of great
potential. Because the great potential of that merged entity is built a lot on the potential of
the business that you create.
So, thank
you for being here.
The terrific work youve done and the commitment youve shown to this company allowed us to have
this choice. And I am absolutely convinced we made the right now. So, its like, theres a
saying about decisions. You know, when you get to hard decisions? Make a decision, then make it
be right. So, from now on, were gonna go make it be right. So, thanks a lot.
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About IMS Health Incorporated
IMS Health Incorporated (IMS) provides sales management and market research information services
to the pharmaceutical and healthcare industries worldwide. IMS provides information services
covering more than 100 countries and maintains offices in 76 countries on six continents, with
approximately 64% of total 2004 IMS revenue generated outside the United States. IMS is listed on
the New York Stock Exchange (NYSE: RX). Additional information is available at
http://www.imshealth.com.
About VNU N.V.
VNU N.V. (VNU) is a global information and media company with leading market positions and
recognized brands. VNU is active in more than 100 countries, with its headquarters located in
Haarlem, The Netherlands and New York, USA. In 2004, total revenues amounted to EUR 3.8 billion.
VNU is listed on the Euronext Amsterdam stock exchange (ASE: VNU), and VNU is part of the AEX Index
of leading Netherlands-based stocks. Additional information is available at http://www.vnu.com.
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stockholders to approve the transaction; the risk that the businesses will not be integrated
successfully or that doing so will be costly or result in significant charges; the risk that the
cost savings and any other synergies from the transaction may not be fully realized or may take
longer to realize than expected; the results of the reconciliation of IMS financial statements
into IFRS and the results of the reconciliation of VNUs results into U.S. GAAP; disruption from
the transaction making it more difficult to maintain relationships with customers, employees or
suppliers; competition and its effect on pricing, spending, third-party relationships and revenues;
the ability to obtain governmental approvals of the transaction on the proposed terms and schedule;
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levels; competition, particularly in the markets for pharmaceutical information and audience
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the outcome of pending legal and regulatory proceedings; leverage and debt service (including
sensitivity to fluctuations in interest rates); compliance with covenants in loan agreements; the
ability to obtain future financing on satisfactory terms; deterioration in economic conditions,
particularly in the pharmaceutical, healthcare, media, information technology or other industries
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any obligation to republish revised forward-looking statements to reflect events or circumstances
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to carefully review and consider the various disclosures in IMS various reports with the
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quarterly period ending March 31, 2005, and VNUs Annual Report for the year ended December 31,
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Investors and security holders will be able to obtain the documents free of charge at the SECs web
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employees may be deemed to be participants in the solicitation of proxies in respect of the
proposed transaction. Information regarding IMS participants is set forth in the proxy statement,
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information has been prepared by aggregating financial information based on these differing
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